[DISCUSS] "Who's hiring on Flink" monthly thread in the mailing lists?

[Kostas Tzoumas]

Hi folks,

I'd like to see how the community feels about a monthly "Who is hiring on Flink" email thread on the dev@ and user@ mailing lists where folks can post job positions related to Flink.

I personally think that posting individual job offerings in the mailing list is off-topic (hence I have refrained to do that wearing my company hat, and I have discouraged others when they asked for my opinion on this), but I thought that a monthly thread like this would be both helpful to the community and not cause overhead.

Cheers,

Kostas

[Márton Balassi]

+1. It keeps it both organized and to a reasonable minimum overhead.

Would you volunteer for starting the mail thread each month then, Kostas?

Best,

Marton

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi folks,

I'd like to see how the community feels about a monthly "Who is hiring on
Flink" email thread on the dev@ and user@ mailing lists where folks can
post job positions related to Flink.

I personally think that posting individual job offerings in the mailing
list is off-topic (hence I have refrained to do that wearing my company
hat, and I have discouraged others when they asked for my opinion on this),
but I thought that a monthly thread like this would be both helpful to the
community and not cause overhead.

Cheers,
Kostas

[Kostas Tzoumas]

yes, of course!

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Márton Balassi <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1. It keeps it both organized and to a reasonable minimum overhead.

Would you volunteer for starting the mail thread each month then, Kostas?

Best,

Marton

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi folks,

I'd like to see how the community feels about a monthly "Who is hiring on
Flink" email thread on the dev@ and user@ mailing lists where folks can
post job positions related to Flink.

I personally think that posting individual job offerings in the mailing
list is off-topic (hence I have refrained to do that wearing my company
hat, and I have discouraged others when they asked for my opinion on this),
but I thought that a monthly thread like this would be both helpful to the
community and not cause overhead.

Cheers,
Kostas

[Kanstantsin Kamkou]

Is it possible to avoid such a spam here? If I need a new job, I could search it. The same way I might want to subscribe to a different thread, like jobs@flink. * The idea itself is great.

On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 at 14:04, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

yes, of course!

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Márton Balassi <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1. It keeps it both organized and to a reasonable minimum overhead.

Would you volunteer for starting the mail thread each month then, Kostas?

Best,

Marton

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi folks,





I'd like to see how the community feels about a monthly "Who is hiring on


Flink" email thread on the dev@ and user@ mailing lists where folks can


post job positions related to Flink.





I personally think that posting individual job offerings in the mailing


list is off-topic (hence I have refrained to do that wearing my company


hat, and I have discouraged others when they asked for my opinion on this),


but I thought that a monthly thread like this would be both helpful to the


community and not cause overhead.





Cheers,


Kostas

[Radu Tudoran]

Hi,

 

I think the idea of having such a monthly thread is very good and it might even help to further attract new people in the community.

In the same time I do not think that 1 extra mail per month is necessary a spam J

In the same time – we can also consider a jobs@flink mailing list

 

 

Dr. Radu Tudoran

Senior Research Engineer - Big Data Expert

IT R&D Division

 

HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES Duesseldorf GmbH

European Research Center

Riesstrasse 25, 80992 München

 

E-mail: [hidden email]

Mobile: [phone]

Telephone: [phone]

 

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Registered Office: Düsseldorf, Register Court Düsseldorf, HRB 56063,
Managing Director: Bo PENG, Wanzhou MENG, Lifang CHEN
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From: Kanstantsin Kamkou [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 9:57 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] "Who's hiring on Flink" monthly thread in the mailing lists?

 

Is it possible to avoid such a spam here? If I need a new job, I could search it. The same way I might want to subscribe to a different thread, like jobs@flink. * The idea itself is great.

 

On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 at 14:04, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

yes, of course!

 

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Márton Balassi <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1. It keeps it both organized and to a reasonable minimum overhead.

 

Would you volunteer for starting the mail thread each month then, Kostas?

 

Best,

 

Marton

 

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi folks,





I'd like to see how the community feels about a monthly "Who is hiring on


Flink" email thread on the dev@ and user@ mailing lists where folks can


post job positions related to Flink.





I personally think that posting individual job offerings in the mailing


list is off-topic (hence I have refrained to do that wearing my company


hat, and I have discouraged others when they asked for my opinion on this),


but I thought that a monthly thread like this would be both helpful to the


community and not cause overhead.





Cheers,


Kostas

 

 

 

 

[rmetzger0]

Thank you for speaking up Kanstantsin. I really don't want to downgrade the experience on the user@ list.

I wonder if jobs@flink would be a too narrowly-scoped mailing list.

Maybe we could also start a community@flink (alternatively also general@) mailing list for everything relating to the broader Flink community, including job offers, meetups, conferences and everything else that is important for the community to grow.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 3:10 AM, Radu Tudoran <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

 

I think the idea of having such a monthly thread is very good and it might even help to further attract new people in the community.

In the same time I do not think that 1 extra mail per month is necessary a spam J

In the same time – we can also consider a jobs@flink mailing list

 

 

Dr. Radu Tudoran

Senior Research Engineer - Big Data Expert

IT R&D Division

 

HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES Duesseldorf GmbH

European Research Center

Riesstrasse 25, 80992 München

 

E-mail: [hidden email]

Mobile: <a href="tel:01520%209084330" value="[phone]" target="_blank">[phone]

Telephone: <a href="tel:089%201588344173" value="[phone]" target="_blank">[phone]

 

HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES Duesseldorf GmbH
Hansaallee 205, 40549 Düsseldorf, Germany, www.huawei.com
Registered Office: Düsseldorf, Register Court Düsseldorf, HRB 56063,
Managing Director: Bo PENG, Wanzhou MENG, Lifang CHEN
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Düsseldorf, Amtsgericht Düsseldorf, HRB 56063,
Geschäftsführer: Bo PENG, Wanzhou MENG, Lifang CHEN

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From: Kanstantsin Kamkou [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 9:57 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] "Who's hiring on Flink" monthly thread in the mailing lists?

 

Is it possible to avoid such a spam here? If I need a new job, I could search it. The same way I might want to subscribe to a different thread, like jobs@flink. * The idea itself is great.

 

On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 at 14:04, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

yes, of course!

 

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Márton Balassi <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1. It keeps it both organized and to a reasonable minimum overhead.

 

Would you volunteer for starting the mail thread each month then, Kostas?

 

Best,

 

Marton

 

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi folks,





I'd like to see how the community feels about a monthly "Who is hiring on


Flink" email thread on the dev@ and user@ mailing lists where folks can


post job positions related to Flink.





I personally think that posting individual job offerings in the mailing


list is off-topic (hence I have refrained to do that wearing my company


hat, and I have discouraged others when they asked for my opinion on this),


but I thought that a monthly thread like this would be both helpful to the


community and not cause overhead.





Cheers,


Kostas

 

 

 

 

[Kostas Tzoumas]

I appreciate the concern Kanstantsin!

We do have a news@ mailing list, but it has been under-utilized so far. Perhaps revamping that one would do it? 

My only concern is that subscribing to a new mailing list is an overhead. As a temp solution, we could cc the dev and user list in the first few (say, 3) threads and encourage folks in these threads to sign up for the news@ list.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thank you for speaking up Kanstantsin. I really don't want to downgrade the experience on the user@ list.

I wonder if jobs@flink would be a too narrowly-scoped mailing list.

Maybe we could also start a community@flink (alternatively also general@) mailing list for everything relating to the broader Flink community, including job offers, meetups, conferences and everything else that is important for the community to grow.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 3:10 AM, Radu Tudoran <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

 

I think the idea of having such a monthly thread is very good and it might even help to further attract new people in the community.

In the same time I do not think that 1 extra mail per month is necessary a spam J

In the same time – we can also consider a jobs@flink mailing list

 

 

Dr. Radu Tudoran

Senior Research Engineer - Big Data Expert

IT R&D Division

 

HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES Duesseldorf GmbH

European Research Center

Riesstrasse 25, 80992 München

 

E-mail: [hidden email]

Mobile: <a href="tel:01520%209084330" value="[phone]" target="_blank">[phone]

Telephone: <a href="tel:089%201588344173" value="[phone]" target="_blank">[phone]

 

HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES Duesseldorf GmbH
Hansaallee 205, 40549 Düsseldorf, Germany, www.huawei.com
Registered Office: Düsseldorf, Register Court Düsseldorf, HRB 56063,
Managing Director: Bo PENG, Wanzhou MENG, Lifang CHEN
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Düsseldorf, Amtsgericht Düsseldorf, HRB 56063,
Geschäftsführer: Bo PENG, Wanzhou MENG, Lifang CHEN

This e-mail and its attachments contain confidential information from HUAWEI, which is intended only for the person or entity whose address is listed above. Any use of the information contained herein in any way (including, but not limited to, total or partial disclosure, reproduction, or dissemination) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by phone or email immediately and delete it!

 

From: Kanstantsin Kamkou [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 9:57 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] "Who's hiring on Flink" monthly thread in the mailing lists?

 

Is it possible to avoid such a spam here? If I need a new job, I could search it. The same way I might want to subscribe to a different thread, like jobs@flink. * The idea itself is great.

 

On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 at 14:04, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

yes, of course!

 

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Márton Balassi <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1. It keeps it both organized and to a reasonable minimum overhead.

 

Would you volunteer for starting the mail thread each month then, Kostas?

 

Best,

 

Marton

 

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi folks,





I'd like to see how the community feels about a monthly "Who is hiring on


Flink" email thread on the dev@ and user@ mailing lists where folks can


post job positions related to Flink.





I personally think that posting individual job offerings in the mailing


list is off-topic (hence I have refrained to do that wearing my company


hat, and I have discouraged others when they asked for my opinion on this),


but I thought that a monthly thread like this would be both helpful to the


community and not cause overhead.





Cheers,


Kostas

 

 

 

 

[rmetzger0]

I'm against using the news@ list for that.

The promise of the news@ list is that its low-traffic and only for news. If we now start having job offers (and potentially some questions on them etc.) it'll be a list with more than some announcements.

That's also the reason why the news@ list is completely moderated.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

I appreciate the concern Kanstantsin!

We do have a news@ mailing list, but it has been under-utilized so far. Perhaps revamping that one would do it? 

My only concern is that subscribing to a new mailing list is an overhead. As a temp solution, we could cc the dev and user list in the first few (say, 3) threads and encourage folks in these threads to sign up for the news@ list.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:

Thank you for speaking up Kanstantsin. I really don't want to downgrade the experience on the user@ list.

I wonder if jobs@flink would be a too narrowly-scoped mailing list.

Maybe we could also start a community@flink (alternatively also general@) mailing list for everything relating to the broader Flink community, including job offers, meetups, conferences and everything else that is important for the community to grow.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 3:10 AM, Radu Tudoran <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

 

I think the idea of having such a monthly thread is very good and it might even help to further attract new people in the community.

In the same time I do not think that 1 extra mail per month is necessary a spam J

In the same time – we can also consider a jobs@flink mailing list

 

 

Dr. Radu Tudoran

Senior Research Engineer - Big Data Expert

IT R&D Division

 

HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES Duesseldorf GmbH

European Research Center

Riesstrasse 25, 80992 München

 

E-mail: [hidden email]

Mobile: <a href="tel:01520%209084330" value="[phone]" target="_blank">[phone]

Telephone: <a href="tel:089%201588344173" value="[phone]" target="_blank">[phone]

 

HUAWEI TECHNOLOGIES Duesseldorf GmbH
Hansaallee 205, 40549 Düsseldorf, Germany, www.huawei.com
Registered Office: Düsseldorf, Register Court Düsseldorf, HRB 56063,
Managing Director: Bo PENG, Wanzhou MENG, Lifang CHEN
Sitz der Gesellschaft: Düsseldorf, Amtsgericht Düsseldorf, HRB 56063,
Geschäftsführer: Bo PENG, Wanzhou MENG, Lifang CHEN

This e-mail and its attachments contain confidential information from HUAWEI, which is intended only for the person or entity whose address is listed above. Any use of the information contained herein in any way (including, but not limited to, total or partial disclosure, reproduction, or dissemination) by persons other than the intended recipient(s) is prohibited. If you receive this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by phone or email immediately and delete it!

 

From: Kanstantsin Kamkou [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 9:57 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] "Who's hiring on Flink" monthly thread in the mailing lists?

 

Is it possible to avoid such a spam here? If I need a new job, I could search it. The same way I might want to subscribe to a different thread, like jobs@flink. * The idea itself is great.

 

On Tue, 6 Dec 2016 at 14:04, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

yes, of course!

 

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Márton Balassi <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1. It keeps it both organized and to a reasonable minimum overhead.

 

Would you volunteer for starting the mail thread each month then, Kostas?

 

Best,

 

Marton

 

On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 6:42 AM, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi folks,





I'd like to see how the community feels about a monthly "Who is hiring on


Flink" email thread on the dev@ and user@ mailing lists where folks can


post job positions related to Flink.





I personally think that posting individual job offerings in the mailing


list is off-topic (hence I have refrained to do that wearing my company


hat, and I have discouraged others when they asked for my opinion on this),


but I thought that a monthly thread like this would be both helpful to the


community and not cause overhead.





Cheers,


Kostas

 

 

 

 

[Ufuk Celebi]

On 9 December 2016 at 14:13:14, Robert Metzger ([hidden email]) wrote:
> I'm against using the news@ list for that.
> The promise of the news@ list is that its low-traffic and only for news. If
> we now start having job offers (and potentially some questions on them
> etc.) it'll be a list with more than some announcements.
> That's also the reason why the news@ list is completely moderated.

I agree with Robert. I would consider that to be spam if posted to news@.

[Felix Neutatz]

Hi,

I wonder whether a mailing list is a good choice for that in general. If I am looking for a job I won't register for a mailing list or browse through the archive of one but rather search it via Google. So what about putting it on a dedicated site on the Web Page. This feels more intuitive to me and gives a better overview.

Best regards,

Felix

On Dec 9, 2016 14:20, "Ufuk Celebi" <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 9 December 2016 at 14:13:14, Robert Metzger ([hidden email]) wrote:
> I'm against using the news@ list for that.
> The promise of the news@ list is that its low-traffic and only for news. If
> we now start having job offers (and potentially some questions on them
> etc.) it'll be a list with more than some announcements.
> That's also the reason why the news@ list is completely moderated.

I agree with Robert. I would consider that to be spam if posted to news@.

[Timur Shenkao]

Hi there,

1) it's a perfect idea

2) as I understand such information can be placed neither on flink.apache.org nor on data-artisans.com

3) there are tons of sites; who would take care of dedicated site? how not to forget about its existence?

So, 1 - 4 letters a month in dev / user mail lists would not spoil anything + all interested people will get the info

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Felix Neutatz <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

I wonder whether a mailing list is a good choice for that in general. If I am looking for a job I won't register for a mailing list or browse through the archive of one but rather search it via Google. So what about putting it on a dedicated site on the Web Page. This feels more intuitive to me and gives a better overview.

Best regards,

Felix

On Dec 9, 2016 14:20, "Ufuk Celebi" <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 9 December 2016 at 14:13:14, Robert Metzger ([hidden email]) wrote:
> I'm against using the news@ list for that.
> The promise of the news@ list is that its low-traffic and only for news. If
> we now start having job offers (and potentially some questions on them
> etc.) it'll be a list with more than some announcements.
> That's also the reason why the news@ list is completely moderated.

I agree with Robert. I would consider that to be spam if posted to news@.

[Greg Hogan]

Google indexes the mailing list. Anyone can filter the messages to trash in a few clicks.

This will also be a means for the community to better understand which and how companies are using Flink.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Felix Neutatz <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

I wonder whether a mailing list is a good choice for that in general. If I am looking for a job I won't register for a mailing list or browse through the archive of one but rather search it via Google. So what about putting it on a dedicated site on the Web Page. This feels more intuitive to me and gives a better overview.

Best regards,

Felix

On Dec 9, 2016 14:20, "Ufuk Celebi" <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 9 December 2016 at 14:13:14, Robert Metzger ([hidden email]) wrote:
> I'm against using the news@ list for that.
> The promise of the news@ list is that its low-traffic and only for news. If
> we now start having job offers (and potentially some questions on them
> etc.) it'll be a list with more than some announcements.
> That's also the reason why the news@ list is completely moderated.

I agree with Robert. I would consider that to be spam if posted to news@.

[Kostas Tzoumas]

It seems that several folks are excited about the idea - but there is still a concern on whether this would be spam for the dev@ and user@ lists (which I share)

As a compromise, I propose to request a new mailing list ([hidden email]) which we can use for this purpose, and also to post upcoming meetups, conferences, etc. In order to inform the community about this mailing list, we can cc the dev@ and user@ lists in the first months until the new mailing list has ramped up.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Greg Hogan <[hidden email]> wrote:

Google indexes the mailing list. Anyone can filter the messages to trash in a few clicks.

This will also be a means for the community to better understand which and how companies are using Flink.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Felix Neutatz <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi,

I wonder whether a mailing list is a good choice for that in general. If I am looking for a job I won't register for a mailing list or browse through the archive of one but rather search it via Google. So what about putting it on a dedicated site on the Web Page. This feels more intuitive to me and gives a better overview.

Best regards,

Felix

On Dec 9, 2016 14:20, "Ufuk Celebi" <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 9 December 2016 at 14:13:14, Robert Metzger ([hidden email]) wrote:
> I'm against using the news@ list for that.
> The promise of the news@ list is that its low-traffic and only for news. If
> we now start having job offers (and potentially some questions on them
> etc.) it'll be a list with more than some announcements.
> That's also the reason why the news@ list is completely moderated.

I agree with Robert. I would consider that to be spam if posted to news@.

[rmetzger0]

+1. I've requested the community@ mailing list from infra.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

It seems that several folks are excited about the idea - but there is still
a concern on whether this would be spam for the dev@ and user@ lists (which
I share)

As a compromise, I propose to request a new mailing list (
[hidden email]) which we can use for this purpose, and also to
post upcoming meetups, conferences, etc. In order to inform the community
about this mailing list, we can cc the dev@ and user@ lists in the first
months until the new mailing list has ramped up.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Greg Hogan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Google indexes the mailing list. Anyone can filter the messages to trash
> in a few clicks.
>
> This will also be a means for the community to better understand which and
> how companies are using Flink.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Felix Neutatz <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wonder whether a mailing list is a good choice for that in general. If
>> I am looking for a job I won't register for a mailing list or browse
>> through the archive of one but rather search it via Google. So what about
>> putting it on a dedicated site on the Web Page. This feels more intuitive
>> to me and gives a better overview.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Felix
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2016 14:20, "Ufuk Celebi" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 December 2016 at 14:13:14, Robert Metzger ([hidden email])
>> wrote:
>> > I'm against using the news@ list for that.
>> > The promise of the news@ list is that its low-traffic and only for
>> news. If
>> > we now start having job offers (and potentially some questions on them
>> > etc.) it'll be a list with more than some announcements.
>> > That's also the reason why the news@ list is completely moderated.
>>
>> I agree with Robert. I would consider that to be spam if posted to news@.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

[rmetzger0]

The [hidden email] has been created :)

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1. I've requested the community@ mailing list from infra.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

It seems that several folks are excited about the idea - but there is still
a concern on whether this would be spam for the dev@ and user@ lists (which
I share)

As a compromise, I propose to request a new mailing list (
[hidden email]) which we can use for this purpose, and also to
post upcoming meetups, conferences, etc. In order to inform the community
about this mailing list, we can cc the dev@ and user@ lists in the first
months until the new mailing list has ramped up.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Greg Hogan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Google indexes the mailing list. Anyone can filter the messages to trash
> in a few clicks.
>
> This will also be a means for the community to better understand which and
> how companies are using Flink.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Felix Neutatz <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wonder whether a mailing list is a good choice for that in general. If
>> I am looking for a job I won't register for a mailing list or browse
>> through the archive of one but rather search it via Google. So what about
>> putting it on a dedicated site on the Web Page. This feels more intuitive
>> to me and gives a better overview.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Felix
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2016 14:20, "Ufuk Celebi" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 December 2016 at 14:13:14, Robert Metzger ([hidden email])
>> wrote:
>> > I'm against using the news@ list for that.
>> > The promise of the news@ list is that its low-traffic and only for
>> news. If
>> > we now start having job offers (and potentially some questions on them
>> > etc.) it'll be a list with more than some announcements.
>> > That's also the reason why the news@ list is completely moderated.
>>
>> I agree with Robert. I would consider that to be spam if posted to news@.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

[Timur Shenkao]

How to subscribe?

[hidden email] ?

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:

The [hidden email] has been created :)

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1. I've requested the community@ mailing list from infra.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

It seems that several folks are excited about the idea - but there is still
a concern on whether this would be spam for the dev@ and user@ lists (which
I share)

As a compromise, I propose to request a new mailing list (
[hidden email]) which we can use for this purpose, and also to
post upcoming meetups, conferences, etc. In order to inform the community
about this mailing list, we can cc the dev@ and user@ lists in the first
months until the new mailing list has ramped up.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Greg Hogan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Google indexes the mailing list. Anyone can filter the messages to trash
> in a few clicks.
>
> This will also be a means for the community to better understand which and
> how companies are using Flink.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Felix Neutatz <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wonder whether a mailing list is a good choice for that in general. If
>> I am looking for a job I won't register for a mailing list or browse
>> through the archive of one but rather search it via Google. So what about
>> putting it on a dedicated site on the Web Page. This feels more intuitive
>> to me and gives a better overview.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Felix
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2016 14:20, "Ufuk Celebi" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 December 2016 at 14:13:14, Robert Metzger ([hidden email])
>> wrote:
>> > I'm against using the news@ list for that.
>> > The promise of the news@ list is that its low-traffic and only for
>> news. If
>> > we now start having job offers (and potentially some questions on them
>> > etc.) it'll be a list with more than some announcements.
>> > That's also the reason why the news@ list is completely moderated.
>>
>> I agree with Robert. I would consider that to be spam if posted to news@.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

[rmetzger0]

Exactly.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Timur Shenkao <[hidden email]> wrote:

How to subscribe?

[hidden email] ?

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:

The [hidden email] has been created :)

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Robert Metzger <[hidden email]> wrote:

+1. I've requested the community@ mailing list from infra.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Kostas Tzoumas <[hidden email]> wrote:

It seems that several folks are excited about the idea - but there is still
a concern on whether this would be spam for the dev@ and user@ lists (which
I share)

As a compromise, I propose to request a new mailing list (
[hidden email]) which we can use for this purpose, and also to
post upcoming meetups, conferences, etc. In order to inform the community
about this mailing list, we can cc the dev@ and user@ lists in the first
months until the new mailing list has ramped up.

On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Greg Hogan <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Google indexes the mailing list. Anyone can filter the messages to trash
> in a few clicks.
>
> This will also be a means for the community to better understand which and
> how companies are using Flink.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Felix Neutatz <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I wonder whether a mailing list is a good choice for that in general. If
>> I am looking for a job I won't register for a mailing list or browse
>> through the archive of one but rather search it via Google. So what about
>> putting it on a dedicated site on the Web Page. This feels more intuitive
>> to me and gives a better overview.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Felix
>>
>> On Dec 9, 2016 14:20, "Ufuk Celebi" <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9 December 2016 at 14:13:14, Robert Metzger ([hidden email])
>> wrote:
>> > I'm against using the news@ list for that.
>> > The promise of the news@ list is that its low-traffic and only for
>> news. If
>> > we now start having job offers (and potentially some questions on them
>> > etc.) it'll be a list with more than some announcements.
>> > That's also the reason why the news@ list is completely moderated.
>>
>> I agree with Robert. I would consider that to be spam if posted to news@.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

[Matthias J. Sax-2]

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I think it's worth to announce this via news list. :)

On 12/13/16 7:32 AM, Robert Metzger wrote:

> The [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
> has been created :)
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Robert Metzger
> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> +1. I've requested the community@ mailing list from infra.
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Kostas Tzoumas
> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> It seems that several folks are excited about the idea - but there
> is still a concern on whether this would be spam for the dev@ and
> user@ lists (which I share)
>
> As a compromise, I propose to request a new mailing list (
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>)
> which we can use for this purpose, and also to post upcoming
> meetups, conferences, etc. In order to inform the community about
> this mailing list, we can cc the dev@ and user@ lists in the first
> months until the new mailing list has ramped up.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Greg Hogan <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>> Google indexes the mailing list. Anyone can filter the
> messages to trash
>> in a few clicks.
>>
>> This will also be a means for the community to better
> understand which and
>> how companies are using Flink.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Felix Neutatz
> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I wonder whether a mailing list is a good choice for that in
> general. If
>>> I am looking for a job I won't register for a mailing list or
> browse
>>> through the archive of one but rather search it via Google.
> So what about
>>> putting it on a dedicated site on the Web Page. This feels
> more intuitive
>>> to me and gives a better overview.
>>>
>>> Best regards, Felix
>>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2016 14:20, "Ufuk Celebi" <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 December 2016 at 14:13:14, Robert Metzger
> ([hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>)
>>> wrote:
>>>> I'm against using the news@ list for that. The promise of the
>>>> news@ list is that its low-traffic and
> only for
>>> news. If
>>>> we now start having job offers (and potentially some
> questions on them
>>>> etc.) it'll be a list with more than some announcements.
>>>> That's also the reason why the news@ list is completely
> moderated.
>>>
>>> I agree with Robert. I would consider that to be spam if
> posted to news@.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

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Great!

On Wed, Dec 14, 2016 at 1:30 AM Matthias J. Sax <[hidden email]> wrote:

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I think it's worth to announce this via news list. :)

On 12/13/16 7:32 AM, Robert Metzger wrote:
> The [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
> has been created :)
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:43 AM, Robert Metzger
> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> +1. I've requested the community@ mailing list from infra.
>
> On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 10:40 AM, Kostas Tzoumas
> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> It seems that several folks are excited about the idea - but there
> is still a concern on whether this would be spam for the dev@ and
> user@ lists (which I share)
>
> As a compromise, I propose to request a new mailing list (
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>)
> which we can use for this purpose, and also to post upcoming
> meetups, conferences, etc. In order to inform the community about
> this mailing list, we can cc the dev@ and user@ lists in the first
> months until the new mailing list has ramped up.
>
> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 4:55 PM, Greg Hogan <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
>> Google indexes the mailing list. Anyone can filter the
> messages to trash
>> in a few clicks.
>>
>> This will also be a means for the community to better
> understand which and
>> how companies are using Flink.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2016 at 8:27 AM, Felix Neutatz
> <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I wonder whether a mailing list is a good choice for that in
> general. If
>>> I am looking for a job I won't register for a mailing list or
> browse
>>> through the archive of one but rather search it via Google.
> So what about
>>> putting it on a dedicated site on the Web Page. This feels
> more intuitive
>>> to me and gives a better overview.
>>>
>>> Best regards, Felix
>>>
>>> On Dec 9, 2016 14:20, "Ufuk Celebi" <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9 December 2016 at 14:13:14, Robert Metzger
> ([hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>)
>>> wrote:
>>>> I'm against using the news@ list for that. The promise of the
>>>> news@ list is that its low-traffic and
> only for
>>> news. If
>>>> we now start having job offers (and potentially some
> questions on them
>>>> etc.) it'll be a list with more than some announcements.
>>>> That's also the reason why the news@ list is completely
> moderated.
>>>
>>> I agree with Robert. I would consider that to be spam if
> posted to news@.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
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